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  1. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    Additionally, my tastes have changed drastically in the five years since I first heard Juturna. I can't even say what I would think of that album if I were to hear it for the first time today, with none of the attachments and associations I've made to it. Perhaps, in some ways, my disappointment was inevitable. Still love those dudes, though.
  2. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    It's okay. I like it a lot more than On Letting Go, but I don't hold that album in very high regard as it is, so I don't know what that says. I'm not sure how I feel about the production--it's really compressed and clean-sounding, which is generally a turn-off for me. Anthony's vocal abilities are astounding as usual, but the production makes his voice sound very pristine, which in turn reminds me of 80's hair metal a few times during the song--not a good thing at all. The musicianship is top-notch but I'm not sure I need anymore progressive rock albums in my collection. With that said, the "Get out!!!" sections are very powerful. I'm going to have to hear more of the album to decide how I feel about it and if I'm going to buy it. The artwork is better than I was expecting from Esao Andrews, though I am still somewhat disappointed that they chose him to work on it again. Similar to my feelings about the song: I like the cover more than OLG's cover. I'm glad you are all enjoying it so much, I wish I could say the same. Maybe it will grow on me.
  3. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    You're missing the point entirely. Because of the unexpected success of Full Collapse, particularly "Understanding in a Car Crash," suddenly the entire music industry was focused, just briefly, on this little section of underground music. They were being heralded as the "next big thing" in alternative rock, particularly after At the Drive-In collapsed. As a result, everyone and their mother started an "emo" or a "screamo" band (although neither those bands nor the accountants at all the major labels had any inkling of the roots of the music they were claiming to be a part of--going back to Dischord Records, or Moss Icon, Angel Hair, those types of bands thought they all hated the term). Everywhere you turned: "HEY LOOK! We sing AND we scream! We're emotional! Sign us!" None of the bands sounded particularly like Thursday because Thursday is a hard band to replicate--there's a lot of nuance in their music. Full Collapse and War All the Time utilize the chiming instrumentals of '80s post-punk and jangle pop, bands like The Cure and The Smiths, and pair it with facets of punk and hardcore. There have always been traces of Sonic Youth in the guitar tones. A City By The Light Divided and Common Existence back up all the My Bloody Valentine and Godspeed You! Black Emperor name-dropping they would do. Scene kids have no idea who most of these bands are and generally only pay attention to what's happening in their little bubble of music RIGHT NOW, and consequently, the circle of influence narrows and the music gets stagnant very quickly. Every "emo" or "screamo" band since 2001 that gained popularity, you can thank (or curse) Thursday's existence for allowing. 95% of them were shitty pop-punk bands with a screamer. Bigger bands like Taking Back Sunday, Hawthorne Heights (threw up in my mouth a little), From First to Last (there's some more vomit), The Used, hell, even My Chemical Romance could not have done what they did if Thursday hadn't opened the door. I wish they'd shut it behind them. Throw in all the fucking terrible local scenes where TO THIS DAY you will find shitty, screamy, over-emotional Frankenstein monster amalgams of hardcore, pop, metal, and punk. And almost NONE of them carried over any of the political or social aspects of punk rock. Thursday had songs about America's violence toward other people groups, be it Native Americans or the local people in countries we go to war with ("Autobiography of a Nation"), about discrimination against gays ("M. Shepard"), about the working environment ("For the Workforce, Drowning"), civil rights ("We Will Overcome"), organized religion ("Asleep in the Chapel," "Sugar in the Sacrament"), sexual and gender politics ("Signals Over the Air"). Almost every band that came after them has whined about inconsequential shit. Thursday came from a world where punk rock was about developing local scenes and fostering creativity and originality on DIY terms. Once they signed to Island, every band that came after them just saw dollar signs in their eyes. It's been this stagnant, incestuous thing ever since. It gets worse every year. Fucking brokeNCYDE would not exist if screaming hadn't been popularized. I promise you that. Thursday is a good band. I might be making them out to be these messianic saviors, but I don't believe that. I had to make a list of the Top 100 Albums of the Decade for a website I write for, and none of their albums were on it. I'm not a Thursday fanboy. All those things that were great about Thursday were pretty common in underground rock beforehand: willingness to expand sound, DIY ethics, political and social awareness. None of the post-Thursday bands, many of whom played lip-service to them, understood any of that.
  4. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    Evidence: http://circaboard.com/index.php?showtopic=3538 Favorite thread of all time. Just when you thought internet-dwellers couldn't possibly achieve higher levels of stupidity than already reached, some guy named Saturn Day Smile came out of nowhere to prove that the problem is worse than we thought, then fucking disappeared forever. Regardless of your feelings about Walmart, it's painfully hilarious to see someone so completely oblivious to methods of rational discussion. It's a really long thread, and after the first page or two it's kind of lame until page 8, when it gets fan-fucking-tastic. Seriously, the showdown of the decade. Check out post #158 for an utterly mind-blowing poem that my opponent titled after me. Best post '07. Ahhh... the glory days.
  5. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    Because it's wrong. /facetiousness
  6. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    That's because you were 9 when Full Collapse came out. Sorry to break it to you, but older people are allowed to enjoy music and go to shows, too. And in case you've never noticed, your whole music scene is obnoxious.
  7. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    No no no, sorry... I was by no means implying that you were one of those people. I was just pointing out that Circa fans can be utterly terrible to be at shows with, too. I know you Anthony, I know you wouldn't do that shit.
  8. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    Okay, so I just have to chip in on the last seven pages or so... So, I know discussions about music revolve largely around our opinions, but GODDAMMIT I have never seen an opinion so close to approaching the realm of being utterly fucking wrong. Listen, I know it's hard for you to imagine that music existed before, like, 2005... so listen up. Thursday is an example of what the "scene" could have been like instead of the shithole it's devolved into. They've been the hardest working band in post-hardcore for the past decade and get nothing but shit from the critics because of all the fucking awful bands that had the nerve to claim them as an influence, but produce nothing but screamy blathering over a vi-V-IV chord progression without an ounce of the nuance of Thursday's music or understanding of the music that came before them. Thursday is why I know about Sonic Youth, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, My Bloody Valentine, and Fugazi. No one would give a fuck about any of the music you listen to if Thursday hadn't laid the groundwork ten years ago, and frankly, it probably would have been better that way--if Thursday had led a singular existence instead of allowing the whole "emo" scene to thrive as this pathetic, bloated, festering thing it is. Thursday were one of the last bands in the "scene" to understand that punk rock is about social and political issues, about banding together against injustices--whether in the music industry or in the world at large, and about making something original and against-the-grain on your own terms... not about your fucking haircut and white belt. The Fall of Troy's body of work consists largely of Thomas Erak masturbating with his guitar, pleasuring himself with how awesome his riffs are. LOOK HOW MUCH OF A FUCKING GUITAR DIVA I AM... Oh... OHHH.... *jizz* The closest The Fall of Troy comes to raping any of Thursday's albums is when Thomas Erak is fantasizing about being half the band Thursday is while he's wanking his fretboard. In six or seven years, The Fall of Troy is going to be playing a show with some new band and everyone is going to think you and the other TFOT fans are old and fat, but the big difference will be that the band you went to see--The Fall of Troy--is shitty. So is anyone going to remember/mention the opposite end of the spectrum, when Circa fans were TOTAL DICKS to Ours? Yeah, that happened. Can we stop talking about when Coheed went downhill (first two albums were good, Apollo 1 is okay for a bloated prog-rock album, Apollo 2 is laughably bad--that's settled) and acknowledge TORCHE? Saw them open for Jesu two years ago at the First Unitarian Church in Philly, and it was some fucking HEAVY SHIT. I still have the guitarist's mangled guitar pick. *obligatory mention of Circa Survive's upcoming album*
  9. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    It's tougher to say with those two, because while I think Esao Andrews' work is only good, I think both House of Leaves and Eternal Sunshine really are great works of art and I'm never surprised when people gush over them. But given the level of fanboy-ism on this board (which I guess seems much greater to me than it does to you), I think it's safe to assume that some people really only like them because of Circa Survive. I remember how easy it is to fall into the habit of trying to conform to the tastes of your favorite bands, especially ones that are as close to their fanbase as Circa (especially in the Juturna days--it's getting harder for them as their fanbase gets larger, but that's not their fault), because there's a sort of desire to impress them with your taste. I don't think that's true of everyone on the boards, and it's not even necessarily a bad thing at a certain point in your life. Youth have a tendency of forming their opinions based on figures they look up to, and that's great because they need to start somewhere. But I think the most impressive thing is a person who has their own uniquely developed aesthetic tastes, knows what they like and can articulate it, and is comfortable with admitting where they differ with the tastes of others, especially those they look up to. I have no respect for the sort of person who thinks their favorite bands are infallible gods. It's juvenile, and it's fine when you're 13 but it looks silly in a 20 year old. I remember, a long time ago, someone on the board commented on how Brendan looked like Duane Allman, and it turned into a discussion about who was the better guitarist. Most of the boardies picked Brendan, which is just silly. Brendan is a great guitarist, but Duane Allman is on another level. I'm not even a fan of the Allman Brothers Band, and I have no problem admitting that he was one of the greatest guitarists ever. I doubt anyone in Circa Survive would have a problem admitting that, either. When a fan makes that sort of statement (Brendan > Duane), it shows two things: 1) that they love Circa Survive (or whatever other band might be in question), which is GREAT. Nothing wrong with being in love with a band. There are quite a few bands I'm in love with, too. But also, 2) that they have no discernment. That's not so great. The lack of discernment is what seems juvenile to me, and it's what leads me to believe a lot of fans will blindly agree with their favorite bands. It's good to understand and admit to the weaknesses of your favorite bands. You don't have to think everything they do is perfect. Again, I'm not talking about everyone on the boards, or even any sort of majority, and I've definitely got no one in particular in mind. It's just a trend I've noticed over the years and it's probably contributed to why I visit the boards far less often than I used to. I feel like there's too much hivemind going on sometimes. So in conclusion: I'm certain that there are some Circa Survive fans that only like House of Leaves because Circa Survive does, but by no means all the fans. I have a hard time believing that all of the people who come through here claiming to love that book even understood that book and the levels of satire, literary theory, and semiotics that it deals with. I don't really have any trouble believing that everyone really loved Eternal Sunshine that claims to. It may be artsy but it's also pretty instantly enjoyable, and I've never watched it with anyone who didn't like it. I hope I didn't offend anyone. I know I can be a bit of an asshole but I was really trying not to be this particular time.
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    It's not irrelevant in context. I'm saying, if someone put a book of his pieces in front of you and said, "Check this out," and you had no idea who he was, most of the people on here would flip through, say "cool," and never think about it again. Most of you like it because of its association with Circa Survive, not because it's great art (which it's not, it's interesting and good but not enough for me to want to keep seeing it half a decade after I first came across it). Which is to say, most of you like it as an extension of your love for Circa Survive and the feelings the band conjures within you, not because there's anything special about the art. You say the art perfectly matches the music, but that's because your association with the art is the music. I'd go so far as to say the Juturna cover matches the autumnal mood of the music well, but the On Letting Go cover is just something cool-looking. All this to say, you guys shouldn't worry if Esao doesn't do the artwork. Whoever does the artwork for the third album, you guys will defend that person just as vehemently as you defend Esao, because you love everything Circa Survive does. On a personal level, I don't want to see any band do the same shit over and over again. It gets old. I don't want to hear the same album over and over again (heard it twice already, it was way better the first time around), and I don't want to see the same artwork over and over again. If Esao experiments with completely different styles for the album artwork, then I'll take back what I said and be rather cool with it. But if it's the same style as the Juturna and On Letting Go covers, I'm gonna wonder if the band is remaining as stagnant in other areas.
  11. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    Esao is no Stanley Donwood. Radiohead's album art is vastly different from album to album. All of Esao's work looks the same to me. I like the Juturna cover, though it's definitely nowhere near my favorites. The cover of On Letting Go looks tacky and cartoonish. I'd really rather see them do something different. I'm gonna get flamed so hard for this, and it's not like it's something I can prove, but I doubt anyone here would do more than glance through his work if he didn't do the album covers for one of your favorite bands. I just don't find his work all that interesting.
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    Oh god, no. Let's move on, please.
  13. Circa Survive "Blue Sky Noise" Discussion

    Alternative Press has been shitty for a very long time. In fact, I'm fairly convinced that AP was already fairly shitty when I was reading it as a teenager, and the "scene" that it happens to cover has gotten exponentially shittier with each passing year. And yet the magazine is not doing so hot financially. Compare the size of current issues to issues from 5+ years ago (it's much smaller now), and consider the fact that half of the fucking magazine is advertisements. Their readers aren't keeping the mag coming out, it's the ads they sell. It's probably because the scene they cover has gotten so stale that it's dying, thank God. I really don't see the magazine selling anymore to people over a certain age, as most scene kids tend to get into indie rock as they get older, and the whole scene is pretty much anathema to every other subculture, so you don't get much crossover. Which is unfortunate because it creates an obstacle for the band in spreading their music. No one else wants to listen to music that scene kids listen to--few will even give it a chance and those that do usually don't want to be associated with that fan base. Because, though we want to pretend that it's "all about the music," it never is. It's also about culture, and there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone has some sort of culture or subculture to which they belong--it influences how the relate to others and communicate with them, how they dress, how they think, what activities they get into, etc. And music plays a massively crucial function in this. You can't separate hippies from the music of the late '60s, hip-hop culture from rap music, grunge from late '80s/early '90s underground culture, '90s indie rock from slacker culture, etc. etc. etc. Similarly, "scene kids" are part of an overall culture, and the music they listen to gets associated with that culture. And that culture is really obnoxious--bad haircuts, ridiculous fashion, 95% of the music is terrible... no self-respecting band should want to be associated with those elements of "scene" culture. I'm sure Circa Survive is grateful for every fan that they have, but I can't imagine they want to be lumped in with that scene. They'd prefer to be remembered in a different light. Because, like it or not, this scene is quickly becoming thought of as one of the worst parts of culture during the first decade of the century. As much as you might protest that critics are full of themselves, etc., they have a HUGE effect on how music and culture is remembered in the future. What people think of the past is what they read of it. The stuff that gets negatively criticized falls by the wayside. And since 90% of critics outside of magazines like Alternative Press completely reject this scene in ways far harsher than I have here, it's not going to be remembered well, and eventually a lot of it will be forgotten by future generations. Your grandchildren probably aren't going to know about scene bands--even decent ones like Portugal. the Man or TREOS--because critics do not like this scene and do not pay much attention to bands associated with it. But I don't doubt they'll be led to listen to artists like Wilco, Arcade Fire, The Flaming Lips, and Animal Collective, because those are the bands they're going to read about if they start digging into music from the past. Top 40 and whatever critics deem "important"--that's what lasts. And that's why Circa Survive would do well to wash their hands of the "scene." /rant
  14. Cheese Its or Goldfish?

    Your snacking possibilities just shrank significantly.
  15. Cheese Its or Goldfish?

    Cheeze-Its don't smile at me.